Dodge Charger Spoiler

[Bosspackfan4]

Re: Dodge Charger Spoiler

Unless BadAzz has a degree in mechanical or aero engineering that im unaware of, I'm not going to believe any of the statistics he's posting. The wings used on race cars are put through hundreds of hours of wind tunnel testing as well as CFD to see if it's even decently clean air that's hitting the rear wing. Ever since Ive joined the formula team at my college im comfortable in saying that I've learned more about car design as well as the physics and mechanics behind them than the average person. Plus my internship at a tier one automotive company has also helped.

Until I see numbers posted SHOWING that it's improved anything(highly unlikely) I'm not even giving this a second thought. Ive seen people just like him walk into our lab thinking they know cars but until you design one from scratch you really don't understand how much you really don't know and im not trying to bash anyone.

This thread can probably be locked now because it's years old and has gone way far off topic. /rant

[CruisinG6]

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You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because a wing helps race cars corner faster does not mean it'll help everything else corner faster.

Like installing a larger intercooler in a turbo cobalt. It'll gain it more power but installing on in an NA would likely rob it power.

Handling is comprised of suspension rebound and spring rates. Tires. Unsprung mass. Steering geometry. Front and rear weight loading or corner weight loading. Chassis strength. Etc etc

And in some corners you can attack it hard with throttle at the start. In fact many racers in automatics use the brakes to force a down shift and keep the power on.

[OneBadAzzG6]

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Funny you mentioned it I am in collage to get my degree in mechanical engineering. Once again I have noticed from experience a big difference in the amount of drag my car gets after I installed my spoiler, and have been able to take turns faster than I could before with ease.

[xRenesis]

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Just kind of glanced over this, and wow, you must not learn anything in M.E. I to am a M.E. and no fricken sh*t will you experience more drag, are you completely oblivious to what a spoiler does. It converts horizontal negative drag into vertical positive down force... Also, how would you know you are talking your corners any faster unless you are cornering at 60+ mph in a mostly stock G6. That spoiler is probably and unlikely pushing more than 30-50 lbs of down force which is what everyone else is getting at. You are adding down force to the REAR which in turn lifts the front by either forcing the body up through balancing or by having a lower ride height in the REAR allowing the front to be lifting from under body air on the front. Tell me more on your mechanical engineering please.

[sleepyalero]

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You really are clueless. Stock g6 with a park bench and I drive onebadazz g6 yo.

[Jordan5150]

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The camaro v6 I not exactly the same. The heads are different. If I remember right Brian, the guy who has probably put the most money into his g6 and probably has the most powerful one said something about the direct injection not being able to be put in a g6. My guess is there is not enough room.

My question is why spend thousands on a g6 to make it awd and give it 50 more hp than you have now when you will still have a mediocre chassis. If you want a fast awd car you could buy a wrx and be faster for less.


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[cmessick]

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You obviously don't know anything about spoilers, probably because you have never had one. I can tell there is a big difference in grip at the rear, but there is no loss in grip at the front, because when you corner most of a car's weight is on the front wheels. Also at speeds where the spoiler is really pushing down, I don't think I will be spinning my wheels or loosing any traction. A spoiler adds stability when you corner keeping you planted so you can corner at higher speeds. Granted you will have a little more under-steer from a rear spoiler, but you most certainly will not loose traction. Otherwise they wouldn't put such huge spoilers on the back of cars in the ind 500. If you think you really have to be speeding to get down force, then maybe you should look at the formula for down force and learn something.

I'm not sure that just b/c you have a spoiler, makes you knowledgeable on them. F1 and Indy (even NASCAR) spend A LOT of time in wind tunnels with a large amount of test equipment to finely tune their 1/2 million dollar machines. They routinely talk about about supercars producing an amount of downforce at 150mph, while only incurring a certain amount of drag. Unless you spent REAL money on that fancy clothes line, all you have is a replica and something that looks "pretty" and is no more functional than the lip spoiler that adorned my car from the factory OR the hammerhead that graces it now. I can without a doubt say that you will see more drag, less fuel economy, and more laughs and stares than that thing will actually legit help.

Down force=1/2the wingspan*Height*Angle of attack*lift coefficient*air density*Velocity^2. Please actually know something about what you say before you actually say it. : )

I'm not the first person to think it.. but unless you pulled this outta your butt and can tell us the individual values of the large string of variables, I will doubt you know anything of magnitude on the matter. I can google downforce equations too, but if I don't know the values to ACTUALLY calculate it, I'm about as ignorant as the rest. What I can tell you from just a simple evaluation of the equation given, velocity seems to be the single largest variable here. Seeing that it is squared means that downforce is not a linear calculation, but actually exponential. meaning the downforce created at 120mph is 9 TIMES the force at 40 (and not the 3x you would assume). Meaning if you are on par with the rest of the supercar world (in a G6) you will only be creating around 30lbs of force at 40mph. (roughly a small tire and wheel together). I'm sorry, but if I put 30lbs in the trunk, i will see no measurable difference in my cornering abilities. All this is based on the fact that you can produce supercar downforce. (which just isn't gonna happen with a $125 wing from rice.com)

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt. Please don't get on here and run members down with less than factual knowledge. I am by no means an expert, but I'm not about to say G6 is a "fast" car, let alone compare it to an Indy car....

I'm just gonna leave this here.. from another of the stupid spoiler threads..

[Dmanj]

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You guys are all so dumb. He clearly knows what he's talking about. He even has the test results:

after my wheel spacers, and spoiler I can easily go 20 mph faster round turns than I could before.

[SloG6]

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Subscribed.

[Bosspackfan4]

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It's probably easier to corner because the car is slower now XD

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[theshibbykumquat]

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Unless BadAzz has a degree in mechanical or aero engineering that im unaware of, I'm not going to believe any of the statistics he's posting. The wings used on race cars are put through hundreds of hours of wind tunnel testing as well as CFD to see if it's even decently clean air that's hitting the rear wing. Ever since Ive joined the formula team at my college im comfortable in saying that I've learned more about car design as well as the physics and mechanics behind them than the average person. Plus my internship at a tier one automotive company has also helped.

Until I see numbers posted SHOWING that it's improved anything(highly unlikely) I'm not even giving this a second thought. Ive seen people just like him walk into our lab thinking they know cars but until you design one from scratch you really don't understand how much you really don't know and im not trying to bash anyone.

This thread can probably be locked now because it's years old and has gone way far off topic. /rant

^^^ I approve this message (side note: read Tune to Win by Carroll Smith if you haven't already)... If he really has that much downforce then he needs stiffer springs in the back, his rear suspension frequency would probably be lower than his front, car would pitch too much as the front and rear frequencies are not set to damp out together...

[theshibbykumquat]

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There's no way that you would be as fast through the turns, or straights especially after I get a front splitter. You would brake faster than me though because I haven't had the car long enough to do everything that I want to.

My springs, Koni dampers, and control arm bushings will do more for my handling than a wing and splitter will do any day...

[CruisinG6]

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I wish I could like posts

[ckeelan2087]

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I wish I could like posts

So badly.

So many laughs to be had in this thread. Please come in and read. Free bump.

[CruisinG6]

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So badly.

So many laughs to be had in this thread. Please come in and read. Free bump.

Oh trust me. Thanks to smartphones and apps. I've been keeping up on all the threads ha