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  • variable intake

    Hey guys, maybe I can chime in on the variable intake manifold thing a bit.

    The main purpose of a manifold with variable length intake runners (which the 3.9L has) is to capture stronger (i.e. lower harmonic#) pressure waves for an increased tuning effect which improves volumetric efficiency (torque up). the pressue waves which bounce back and forth btw the valve and plenum travel at the speed of sound. this remains constant. you want a high pressure wave to arrive at the valve just before it closes. however, as engine speed increases, the actual time between each intake event decreases. For example, if you have a runner length tuned/designed to capture a wave at 2500rpm, you can see that the wave will be late at say 3000rpm. The degree to which this happens depends on the runner length and the cam timing. Eventually, at a higher rpm you will pick that same wave back up again, however, it will have traveled the distance of the runner 2 more times and been reflected 2 additional times, reducing its strength and effect. This is where a variable runner comes in. By switching to a shorter runner at higher RPM, you are now catching a pressure pulse that hasnt been reflected as many times. These pressure waves are constantly traveling back and forth in the runner until they become so weak they have no effect and are no longer measureable. A new wave goes out every time your valve closes, it comes from the actual vibration/sound of the valve closing on the seat. I tried to make that as clear as possible, but it is hard to explain without writing an entire page. Anyways, getting to my point. I dont think a variable intake would effect a turbo's boost very much. A turbo's boost (among other obvious things) is dependent on the amount of exhaust gases flowing through the turbine...which is proportional to engine RPM. The intake isnt going to have a large effect on turbo rpms...engine speed and your right foot have a much greater effect.

    My main concern with the variable intake manifold would be whether or not the switching mechanisms' various seals could withstand the boost pressure of a turbo without completely blowing or at least leaking to the runner portions not in use. There is a possibility it could be a non-issue depending on the design, but you'd have to see the inside of the manifold to determine that.

    Respectfully,
    Anthony

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    • right... so for the average joe, put it in simple terms...
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      • You have it almost right. It doesn't have very much to do with the valve closing on the seat at all, in terms of sounds. There is SOUND Resonance tuning, but the gains most people see and tune for are pressure. Yes sounds = Pressure. But the sound isn't coming from the valve hitting the seat, because if we all rean leaded gasoline to soften the valve seat then we would lose a bit of horse because of the reduction in sound.

        In reality the noise the motor makes isn't the difference although does affect it some.

        Its pressure tuning.

        Pick of a copy of Scientific Design of Intake and Exhaust, its old but its all in there. There are even some sweet formulas for capturing both sound, and pressure tuning.
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        • you're right. my bad. the pressure pulse is initiated by the intake draw from the piston. i think i was trying to put too much info in one reply. thanks for catching that.

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          • so moral of the story is........turbo (forced induction) doesn't care whether the intake is variable or not.

            which begs the question, why are we talking about any of this?

            not to sound like an ass but I'm just curious.....
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            • Originally posted by ElecBlueG6GT
              Originally posted by 06GTP
              So boost at lower engine speeds might not hit it's full potential. I could be completely off on that.
              You're not off on that. Boost increases with RPM's, regardless of turbo, or super.
              Generally speaking, with a turbo boost will spike high in the lower RPMs and settle down lower as you go further up in RPMs.

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              • Lojac actually, turbos follow almost ALL of the rules for NA. In terms of exhaust manifold and intake manifold tuning especially.

                Proper intake runner length, and diameter along with transition affect turbos too. Same specs for the exhaust manifold.

                (Just deleted an incredibly long and complicated explination) I will omit this for time.

                Think of power adders as Percentage of change for volumetric effiency. No matter what the mod is, at that RPM it either increasing cylinder filling and o2 density, or it does not.

                Turbo, Nitrous, Supercharger, Roots, screw, CSC, anything.

                When you shorten runners for resonance tuning, it most likley will increase VE in upper rpms, regardless of a power adder or not.

                Which is a great thing!
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                • Kyle, for the love of God, update us!!! I want to see this thing roar! And you GOTTA let me know when you take it to Orlando Speed World!!!!!!!1111!!!11!!ONE
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                  My sister's cousin's niece who married a guy who delivers paper towels to a guy who knows a girl whose brother is a cabinet member for nObama said that GM just imploded 20 minutes ago.

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                  • Hey man, I don't like looking at a turbo G6 that doesn't move either. Believe me, I want to drive this thing more than anybody!
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                    • It's been 2 months now!!

                      I want G6 turbo vids!!! :warped: :warped:

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                      • I know, I know. You guys have no idea how many emails & PM's I get for this
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                        • Well, here's another one!!!
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                          Originally posted by GTPprix
                          My sister's cousin's niece who married a guy who delivers paper towels to a guy who knows a girl whose brother is a cabinet member for nObama said that GM just imploded 20 minutes ago.

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                          • EVERYONE, IT'S BUG KYLE ABOUT HIS TURBO DAY!!!



                            Seriously though, if you're still waiting on Chris, I'm gonna kick his ass all the way to your driveway.

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                            • No, I got my PCM back
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                              • So what keeps it from moving?

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