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    2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS - First Drive Review
    GM’s Performance Division turns out a duesy of a Cobalt.

    BY ERIK JOHNSON
    March 2008



    Does this car look familiar? It should. Beyond the front grille treatment, the new 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS is visually identical to the 2005–07 Cobalt SS Supercharged. The front and rear fascias, side sills, and now-optional huge wing carry over unchanged, as does the regular Cobalt-based sheetmetal. The similarity, however, ends there.

    The old SS was quite good. A mini-muscle car, it was quick in a straight line, although it became a ball of understeer when the road went bendy. But the new SS is better. Not only does it remain face-peelingly quick, but it’s also now a maniacal piece of machinery that laughs at nearly any corner you toss in front of it.

    Turbos Are Super, Too

    The SS Supercharged had to be discontinued because its blown four didn’t comply with emissions regulations for 2008. (The naturally aspirated imposter SS was discontinued after 2007, too; Chevy now calls that model the Cobalt Sport.) As a result, the new SS gets force-fed via an air-to-air intercooled turbocharger rather than the Eaton supercharger of the old car.

    This 2.0-liter Ecotec turbo four, introduced in the Pontiac Solstice GXP and Saturn Sky Red Line roadsters, gains direct injection and variable valve timing for intake and exhaust and returns a claimed 22 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. More important, though, is that the new car puts 260 horsepower under your right foot versus 205 in the SS Supercharged. Peak torque is an impressive 260 pound-feet, and it’s available from 2000 rpm.

    Chevy figures a blast to 60 ought to take 5.7 seconds, but the SS Supercharged took a mere 5.9 in our test, so we’re thinking maybe an additional 10th or two could be squeezed from the more powerful turbo model. Top speed is as high as 160 mph, so long as you forgo that ginormous, drag-heavy optional spoiler.

    I’m Not Going to Break It, Am I?

    Rocketing to the top end is a ridiculous amount of fun in the new SS, thanks to the standard launch control and no-lift shift functions, which are also found on the less hard-core, pudgier HHR SS. Both are fairly violent events, and not lifting off the gas when you shift feels, well, ludicrous. No-lift shifts, though, coax such sweet burbles and gunfire pops from the exhaust that you just have to do them all the time. From a stop sign? No-lift shift. Getting onto the freeway? No-lift shift. In the produce section at the grocery store? Yup, no-lift shift.

    A tip from the engineers: One pop from the tailpipe is good. More pops are bad, since that means you’ve bounced it off the rev limiter and aren’t accelerating as quickly as you could. Using launch control or no-lift shifting gives you the inkling that you’re going to break the car or engine or Saab-sourced five-speed manual—or all three—in half, but Chevy warrants the powertrain for five years or 100,000 miles and says that engineers performed 600 launch-control blastoffs in a row to validate the whole shebang.

    Damping and Turn-In and Braking, Oh My

    Beyond the engine, though, are the chassis refinements made by the GM Performance boys. The only underbody item shared with the regular Cobalt is the front subframe. New lower control arms, control-arm bushings, 30-percent-stiffer springs, and fat 24mm front and rear solid anti-roll bars tighten the suspension like a drum skin. The steering system’s rack, electronics, and tuning are all unique to the SS, as is the car’s pedal box, which has been optimized to provide better heel-and-toe downshifts.

    2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS - Nice Price for a Nice Piece of Machinery
    (continued)



    After dozens of miles on twisty California desert roads and several laps at Buttonwillow Raceway Park, it was clear that the extensive alterations (not to mention four intense weeks of tuning at the Nürburgring, during which the car beat the lap record for its class by 13 seconds) have paid off. The Cobalt SS treats midcorner bumps with indifference and features ride characteristics that remind us of—gulp—the Volkswagen GTI. Lumpy, bumpy roads unfurl beneath the new SS with no drama; this car is very well damped.

    The steering is good, too. In fact, it’s perhaps the best we’ve felt in a GM front-driver, with road sensations and the grip situation communicated mostly intact via the fat, three-spoke wheel identical to the one found in the Corvette. The steering is well weighted and dead accurate, too, although it lacks the delicate tactility of the GTI’s rack.

    Sitting behind those front wheels are 12.4-inch vented rotors squeezed by standard-issue four-piston Brembo calipers. Out back, the supercharged car’s solid discs have morphed into vented units on the new SS, but they’re squeezed by single-piston GM units. The system offers above-average feel, registering even the smallest change in pedal pressure, and we experienced absolutely zero fade even after seven or eight consecutive hard laps of the long and very fast Buttonwillow track.

    On the racecourse, the SS demonstrated surprisingly neutral attitude for a front-driver and slow, progressive rotation on throttle lift, after which it would settle down into a four-wheel drift. That’s a far cry from its predecessor’s plow-happy handling, although ham-fisted efforts can still set the front wheels sliding. Torque steer was mostly a nonissue, with the suspension tuning, the power-steering programming, and a computer program that uses steering-wheel angle to dial back available torque combining to keep the wheel from yanking itself from our hands.

    Nice Price for a Nice Piece of Machinery

    Pricing is competitive at $22,995, and Chevy’s not interested in bloating the bottom line with huge options packages or frivolous toys. Indeed, the short options list—for now, a limited-slip differential for $495, a sunroof for $750, and the huge wing for $195—shows how focused Chevrolet and GM Performance intend this car to be. Further driving this point home is the lack of an available automatic transmission; shift your own or go home, bub.

    When the 2009 model year commences in late June, a Cobalt SS sedan will be added, and we expect the price to be the same. A few other pieces of equipment might be added as well: an in-dash navigation system could be as low as $275, Bluetooth connectivity will be available, and there’s talk of offering a programmable data logger that would replace the A-pillar-mounted boost gauge.

    The biggest problem we see with the Cobalt SS is its workaday roots. Convincing people to lay down 23 large for a car based on the ho-hum, uninspiring Cobalt they rented in Albuquerque is a tougher proposition than asking someone to step up from, say, the very good VW Rabbit to the even better GTI—especially when the new SS looks so much like the old one and has such bummer interior plastics. In the words of lead development engineer Brandon Vivian, though, GM “spent the money on making it faster,” not on fancy new bodywork or soft-touch froufrou.

    We’re glad it did, because the new Cobalt SS is very fast and very good.

  • #2
    Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

    Nice. Another success for GM hopefully. I don't see how Pontiac can justify GXP horsepower /torque numbers now. Performance division my ass.

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      Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

      so, correct me if i'm wrong but, from my understanding no lift shift is a MT little thing that makes it so you can keep the gas completely depressed while clutching from gear to gear??? that sounds like an automatic manual transmission to me... it takes away any skill needed to drive the car fast as well as limits the maximum that you could get out of the car. sounds like a bad idea to me, just a useless advancement in transmissions that is going to let kids drive around with their pedals to the floor not learning to drive a stick like they're supposed

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        Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

        Originally posted by CjLink
        so, correct me if i'm wrong but, from my understanding no lift shift is a MT little thing that makes it so you can keep the gas completely depressed while clutching from gear to gear??? that sounds like an automatic manual transmission to me... it takes away any skill needed to drive the car fast as well as limits the maximum that you could get out of the car. sounds like a bad idea to me, just a useless advancement in transmissions that is going to let kids drive around with their pedals to the floor not learning to drive a stick like they're supposed
        Problem is, without the no lift manual..... if it would have an automatic it would be faster as the auto does keep the turbo spooling like said in another thread, Just like the manual solstice GXP is slower then the automatic solstice GXP. So without coming out with "new" maunal tech ideas the auto is becoming the better choise for performance number wise besides in a closed track envoroment
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        • #5
          Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

          Originally posted by dre256
          Originally posted by CjLink
          so, correct me if i'm wrong but, from my understanding no lift shift is a MT little thing that makes it so you can keep the gas completely depressed while clutching from gear to gear??? that sounds like an automatic manual transmission to me... it takes away any skill needed to drive the car fast as well as limits the maximum that you could get out of the car. sounds like a bad idea to me, just a useless advancement in transmissions that is going to let kids drive around with their pedals to the floor not learning to drive a stick like they're supposed
          Problem is, without the no lift manual..... if it would have an automatic it would be faster as the auto does keep the turbo spooling like said in another thread, Just like the manual solstice GXP is slower then the automatic solstice GXP. So without coming out with "new" maunal tech ideas the auto is becoming the better choise for performance number wise besides in a closed track envoroment

          yeah i didnt think about that, but on a turbocharged vehicle that does make a lot of sense keeping hp up much higher... on N/A though my statements stand

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            Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

            Originally posted by CjLink
            yeah i didnt think about that, but on a turbocharged vehicle that does make a lot of sense keeping hp up much higher... on N/A though my statements stand
            I can agree with that :P
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            • #7
              Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

              what's to stop you from taking your foot off the gas and pressing the clutch anyways while shifting gears prior to no lift shift?!! You can do it... not the greatest for the trans, but it can be fun!

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              • #8
                Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                personally I think having to use the clutch for every shift in a car is stupid. I only use the clutch for stopping and starting in my truck. Its so much more fun!

                If it wasn't for the synchronizer in a car transmission you wouldn't have to use the clutch in a car right?

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                • #9
                  Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                  If you are skilled enough at driving stick, you can shift without using the clutch all together. I knew someone who had a 350Z and he only clutched to start up in 1st, otherwise he drove without pressing the clutch... pretty impressive!

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                    Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                    Originally posted by grfnkl
                    If you are skilled enough at driving stick, you can shift without using the clutch all together. I knew someone who had a 350Z and he only clutched to start up in 1st, otherwise he drove without pressing the clutch... pretty impressive!
                    I do that every day. Big trucks don't have a syncronizer in their transmission so I have to do the work of the syncronizer and match engine rpms up to road speed. Its simple enough to do. Its sweet to be able to drive down the road and only have to use the gas to shift. I feel more in "tune" with the transmission. Like I'm one with the truck.

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                    • #11
                      Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                      I think some of you are missing what they are saying about the 'no lift' shifting. The SRT-4 (both actually) have this as well. During normal driving you shift as you would any other manual transmission. When you're doing sprinted driving, there's an option to either shift normally or with the 'no lift' feature (refered to as 'WOT shifting' by SRT).

                      What this allows you to do is hold boost while changing gears, resulting in zero turbo lag once you hit the next gear. ie if you're holding 15psi to redline, when you change from 3rd to 4th the turbo stays spooled at 15psi for when you hit 4th gear. As with the new SS, the SRT-4 gives a loud pop from the exhaust as a result of unburnt fuel burning in the exhaust pipe. In the SRT-4 this is can lower your ET up to .2 in the 1/4 mile depending on how fast you shift.

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                      • #12
                        Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                        ^^ Not "spirited" driving which may not be full throttle, but no-lift shift only occurs under WOT, and it's to keep boost levels high for the turbo. LNF Solstices and Skies are slower with the auto because the manual lacks no-lift shft.

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                        • #13
                          Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                          Originally posted by Ace
                          ^^ Not "spirited" driving which may not be full throttle, but no-lift shift only occurs under WOT, and it's to keep boost levels high for the turbo. LNF Solstices and Skies are slower with the auto because the manual lacks no-lift shft.
                          the base model (non turbo) sky/solstice's are slower with auto than manual, but the turbo versions (redline/gxp) ARE faster with the auto, not the manual.

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                          • #14
                            Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                            Originally posted by Ace
                            ^^ Not "spirited" driving which may not be full throttle, but no-lift shift only occurs under WOT, and it's to keep boost levels high for the turbo. LNF Solstices and Skies are slower with the auto because the manual lacks no-lift shft.
                            My spirited driving is at WOT.

                            If you would have read my entire post I clearly state that no-lift shifting is the same as WOT shifting and continue to describe it's function.

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                            • #15
                              Re: chevy cobalt turbo SS - with "no lift shift" feature

                              Originally posted by newbiestyle
                              Originally posted by grfnkl
                              If you are skilled enough at driving stick, you can shift without using the clutch all together. I knew someone who had a 350Z and he only clutched to start up in 1st, otherwise he drove without pressing the clutch... pretty impressive!
                              I do that every day. Big trucks don't have a syncronizer in their transmission so I have to do the work of the syncronizer and match engine rpms up to road speed. Its simple enough to do. Its sweet to be able to drive down the road and only have to use the gas to shift. I feel more in "tune" with the transmission. Like I'm one with the truck.

                              on a normal slow driving day i clutch into first and sometimes 1st to 2nd if i'm feel like taking it past 3000 rpms, but other than that i float it into all the other gears... its just timing the spin of the flywheel and pulling it out and popping it in at the right RPMs... took me about 2 months of off and on practice on my old car to figure it out...

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