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LoJac963
06-23-2010, 03:50 AM
so I'm really sick and tired of not having headers and I keep dabbling in the thoughts of saying screw it and buying the cheapo PaceSetters.

I mean you can pick up a set of Pacesetters 1 3/4 x 3" JET HOT coated for $499.95, add the mids for $119.95 and the O2 extenders for $49.00....

Total: $668.90

Kooks on the other hand for the 1 3/4, coated with mids and O2 extensions would be $1,475.72.

Now the Pacesetters don't come with cats where the Kooks mids do so thats why theres a HUGE different in price for the mid pipes but the price for the kooks also doesn't include O2 extension harnesses.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Kooks but the price is just insane for them. The other bad thing about Pacesetters is in their disclaimer is says "fabrication may be required :bs: "

I've heard mixed reviews about Pacesetters, some people have had a set for years without any issues but others had problems with out of the box. I just want some dang headers to get the exhaust opened up a bit............

So what are you guys rockin if anything? I know headers are on most of our TO DO lists for the goats but I'm just curious what the crew over here is rollin. Oh and yes I've spend countless hours reading on LS1 and other boards.

WoodburyMan
06-23-2010, 07:28 AM
Kooks are expensive, but worth it.

SLP, and a lot of the others, I heard always doesn't quite match up all the time. Guy I know Kurt has installed headers on GTOs like two dozen times at least and he says Kooks are always the easiest. SLP's he said sometimes are a pain in the arse for fitment sometimes, and also a guy I know doesnt recommend them as they rust. (Not that you need to worry as much about that as we do up North with salty roads in the winter) but two guys with SLPs up here have dailied theres for 2 years with them and have rust. Guys with Kooks are fine.

Ive never heard much about Pacesetters. I know a few other people brought attention about American Racing headers, but I was told their fitment was a pain to get on as well.

IMHO kooks is the way to go. If you look on ls1gto MarylandSpeed has a special where you get FREE coating with a special coupon code.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361123
I'd go with the 1 3/4" or the NEW Signiture stepped 1 3/4" to 1 7/8 ones. ($200 more for stepped).

Thebeast
06-23-2010, 10:38 AM
definately kooks. im going with doug thorley over kooks simply because they wont bolt up to my exhisting exhaust.
kooks i would get, but inorder for it to work, i have to buy the catted mid-pipe, another 800.
so im going catless and getting the doug thorley, or i am also considering kooks midlength headers

CrimsonGTP
06-23-2010, 11:49 AM
im with you on the pacesetters. I talked to the one guy Bohnman (the guy that did my LED swap) and he has done tons of header installs. He said that obviously kooks are the shit and the best there is BUT people who he knows that have pacesetters say they work just fine. I mean, difficulty of install to me is not an issue. you install them once so if its a pain in the ass, once you have them on its finished anyways so who cares. Understandably if they dont fit then thats a big issue lol but as far as difficulty goes...oh well. He said the few he knows with pacesetters loved them and for the price you REALLY cant beat it. are kooks amazing? of course. but i DO think that you are paying for a name JUST a little. i mean 1400 for some welded pipe? gtfo.

LoJac963
06-23-2010, 12:44 PM
im with you on the pacesetters. I talked to the one guy Bohnman (the guy that did my LED swap) and he has done tons of header installs. He said that obviously kooks are the shit and the best there is BUT people who he knows that have pacesetters say they work just fine. I mean, difficulty of install to me is not an issue. you install them once so if its a pain in the ass, once you have them on its finished anyways so who cares. Understandably if they dont fit then thats a big issue lol but as far as difficulty goes...oh well. He said the few he knows with pacesetters loved them and for the price you REALLY cant beat it. are kooks amazing? of course. but i DO think that you are paying for a name JUST a little. i mean 1400 for some welded pipe? gtfo.

yeah that's EXACTLY how I feel on the issue. Obviously Kooks are the best and the greatest since they have 100% great reviews and everyone uses them but at the same time I just want some cheapy headers with my small bolt ons for the time being. Once the car becomes strictly a weekend toy and not a DD and major engine work is done, THEN I would consider buying Kooks...

Interesting points guys, hmmmmmmmmm

Still worries me about the fittment with Pacesetters, get them and they don't fit worth the crap then what do you do, go through the hassle of sending them back and all that pain in the arse......

Thebeast
06-23-2010, 02:11 PM
there are quite a few g8 members that are running pacesetter longtubes and they love them. no complaints. its a gamble that you have to be willing to take. if it pays off, then great. if not, then its a risk you will learn from.

LoJac963
06-23-2010, 02:35 PM
I think I'll check in and email MSpeed and make sure they'll take them back if they have fittment issues. My long term goal is (when motor is built) Kooks 1 7/8th headers to 3" mids to the Kooks full 3" exhaust so we're talking big bucks.......

Thebeast
06-23-2010, 02:55 PM
im getting mine at marylandspeed as well.

Pedobear
06-23-2010, 03:09 PM
I've never had a problem with Pacesetter, always proven themselves from what I've seen/experienced.

LoJac963
06-23-2010, 03:19 PM
I've never had a problem with Pacesetter, always proven themselves from what I've seen/experienced.

that's good to hear, I mean their prices really can't be beat compared to the other brands for the GTO's and other vehicles. I'll have to look into it a little more.

mi04se1
06-23-2010, 09:24 PM
I got Solo HFC's and Solo Mach unbalnced cat back, so LT's are out of the picture for me. As soon as I get the funds, Im getting Doug Thorley shorties so I dont loose my high flow cats. I know I could sell the cats, but you never get what you paid for. I paid almost $600 for the cats. Shit, if you add up what I paid for the cats and exhaust, with a few 100 more bucks I couldve got ARH instead. Live and learn I guess.

leong6gtp
06-23-2010, 10:26 PM
My friend has pacesetters on his camaro, they do the job but no kooks. The design(at least for the gto) is a better along with a better collector with ball joint connector. MDspeed has dynos comparing them. If you can't get Kooks then get pacesetters, but if you have the money then don't cheap out. Get catless mids and get them cheaper. It seems like this topic comes up as much on here as it does on ls1gto LOL.

CrimsonGTP
06-23-2010, 11:04 PM
My friend has pacesetters on his camaro, they do the job but no kooks. The design(at least for the gto) is a better along with a better collector with ball joint connector. MDspeed has dynos comparing them. If you can't get Kooks then get pacesetters, but if you have the money then don't cheap out. Get catless mids and get them cheaper. It seems like this topic comes up as much on here as it does on ls1gto LOL.
for sure. cept people on here aren't ass holes. i saw the comparative dyno's and kooks won by like 4-5 hp or something. i dont remember for sure but it wasn't a shitload.

Thebeast
06-23-2010, 11:06 PM
I got Solo HFC's and Solo Mach unbalnced cat back, so LT's are out of the picture for me. As soon as I get the funds, Im getting Doug Thorley shorties so I dont loose my high flow cats. I know I could sell the cats, but you never get what you paid for. I paid almost $600 for the cats. Shit, if you add up what I paid for the cats and exhaust, with a few 100 more bucks I couldve got ARH instead. Live and learn I guess.
i will be getting the doug thorly's as well. they are great and you can get 15% off at maryland speed and free shipping

hnda8n
06-23-2010, 11:11 PM
Just remember....you get what you've paid for... :|

Thebeast
06-23-2010, 11:52 PM
doug thorlies with a cat back, intake and tune is good for 350 hp at the wheels. not bad considering we make 361 stock

zlatsky
06-24-2010, 12:15 AM
my buddy with the 402 gto has pacesetters. he says the only problem with them is the fact they only come in 1 3/4 not 1 7/8. other then that he likes them.

CrimsonGTP
06-24-2010, 12:17 AM
my buddy with the 402 gto has pacesetters. he says the only problem with them is the fact they only come in 1 3/4 not 1 7/8. other then that he likes them.
and thats a 402. unless you are doing MONSTER shit or FI i wouldn't worry about that 1/8 inch.

LoJac963
06-24-2010, 02:59 AM
^exactly, MSpeed actually finally put a disclaimer on their website about 1 7/8th headers are only meant for built engines or FI. When used on engines with simple bolt ons you'll actually see a decrease in power. My car actually had Kooks 1 7/8th headers and the original and only owner of the car who I've met and spoken with said the headers were way too big.

So I'm thinking Pacesetters would be fine in 1 3/4 for now and when its a garage toy and weekend cruiser I'll really have some good engine work done to it then shell out the cash for Kooks.

Oh and also the comment about everyone being asses on LS1GTO is the complete truth. I haven't had it happen to me but I've seen plenty of people get ripped on. I've started plenty of threads and everyone has been very helpfull in the time I've had the goat but its still always fun to chat with the G6 crew!! :swampassjr:

Thebeast
06-24-2010, 09:10 AM
even though thats what the site says, there are no dyno results showing it. everyone with simple bolt ons and 1 7/8 headers made the same power if not more than the 1 3/4

zlatsky
06-24-2010, 09:28 AM
even though thats what the site says, there are no dyno results showing it. everyone with simple bolt ons and 1 7/8 headers made the same power if not more than the 1 3/4

no you in fact make less power with 1 7/8 then you do with 1 3/4 on a stock motor. you still get a gain, just less of it.

CrimsonGTP
06-24-2010, 12:49 PM
even though thats what the site says, there are no dyno results showing it. everyone with simple bolt ons and 1 7/8 headers made the same power if not more than the 1 3/4

no you in fact make less power with 1 7/8 then you do with 1 3/4 on a stock motor. you still get a gain, just less of it.
This. Backpressure is still good.

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LoJac963
06-25-2010, 12:57 AM
that does make sense, not necessarily losing power but just not gaining as much as you would with small bolt ons with the 1 3/4

If I went with Kooks as my first set of headers I would buy the 1 7/8th's because I do have big plans for the engine and I refuse to buy one set, have to sell them, then buy the bigger primaries later on.

Damnit I don't know what to do lol

Thebeast
06-25-2010, 08:16 AM
just save for kooks or american racing. i am. i found out doug thorley headers are a little restrictive over 500hp. it will take a few months, but it will be well worth it

leong6gtp
06-25-2010, 12:39 PM
That what I did, I plan on getting a Maggie so I just got the 1 7/8 from the start. I might get a cam before the Maggie but I'll probably just save for the Maggie and then get a blower can after that .

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LoJac963
06-25-2010, 12:53 PM
^that's one hell of a plan, I'll be similar to that also which is why I don't want to buy headers again after major work. Oh well I'll probably just wait and do the bigger Kooks then :?

zlatsky
06-25-2010, 12:57 PM
or go stepped.

LoJac963
06-25-2010, 12:58 PM
^I always wanted the signature series, so they're 1 3/4 at the start of the primaries then they open up to 1 7/8th's correct? So its kind of the best of both worlds then? I've never really understood the point of the stepped primaries and everyone I've asked has no clue either lol

zlatsky
06-25-2010, 12:59 PM
you get more flow and at the same time maintain backpressure.

Thebeast
06-26-2010, 01:06 AM
well pending my new job on wednesday, im ordering american racing 1 7/8 header system. then later this year maybe a tvs1900 supercharger for christmas.