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    Detroit’s Critics Just Don’t Get It – Washington Post
    by Warren Brown
    Mar. 1, 2009
    The nation that invented the automobile has no intention of walking away from it. That nation is Germany, which gave the world its first carriage powered by an internal combustion engine in 1885.
    But the nation that popularized the automobile via assembly-line production, the United States, seems less certain of its continued commitment to the car -- that is, to the car wearing a GM, Ford or Chrysler badge.
    It's fundamentally unfair.
    Detroit is getting a bum rap.
    And if President Obama does not understand that, just as he clearly does not understand some basic facts of automotive history, as indicated by his misstatement last week about which country invented the automobile, he is likely to do Detroit more harm than good.
    "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it," Obama told a joint session of Congress, delineating his administration's plans to revive the nation's economy.
    The comment represented more than a simple historical error. It bespoke an attitude, the idea that the federal government, carrying bags of taxpayer money, must now ride to the rescue of a recalcitrant Detroit that finds itself on the brink of bankruptcy after "years of bad decision making."
    Here's one more attempt to set the record straight.
    The Detroit that Washington loves to hate, the one that policy wonks and politicians think they can run better than industry professionals, stopped existing at least 15 years ago. It faded because executives at GM, Ford and Chrysler reached a consensus not fully embraced by Congress or the American consumer. To wit: Oil will not last forever.
    Detroit's executives aren't stupid. Nor are they arrogant fools who care more for their own paychecks than they do for their industry's or their country's future. They know that the car of the future will have to be powered by something other than gasoline or diesel -- or else there is no future.
    Thus, it would behoove Obama's automotive task force to take a close look at the billions of dollars Detroit already has poured into the development of alternative fuels and drive systems. The truth is that Detroit has been working hard to develop cars that consumers will need. But that research and development largely has been financed by selling cars and trucks that consumers want now.
    That brings up a second point -- the nonsense that Detroit no longer makes cars that Americans want to buy, as evidenced by Detroit's consistent loss of share of its home market.
    The United States is the world's most lucrative, most open, most competitive automotive retail market. Gone are the 1950s and '60s when the term "the Big Three" had meaning backed by dominant, unchallenged home market share. Nearly every company that can mate an engine with a transmission has opened shop here.
    It is reasonable, under the circumstances, that the "Big Three" that had more than 90 percent of U.S. market share in 1950 is now fighting to hold onto a 48 percent share of that market. Doesn't a 48-percent share mean that somebody out there is taking what Detroit is making?
    Also, it's time to stop blaming Detroit for being a good employer -- one that has assumed the enormous financial burden of providing its workers better-than-adequate health care and compensating them in a way that allows them and their families to embrace middle-class dreams.
    Conventional wisdom says that Detroit's automobile executives have given the United Automobile Workers too much in a mutual ceremony of greed. It is a belief with a built-in bias -- the idea that people who work with their hands should be allowed to earn only so much, dream only so much. Thus, we have pressure on Detroit's unionized companies to lower their compensation packages to levels offered by nonunion competitors. Success in that endeavor should put all autoworkers in the United States in their place, because pay at the nonunion plants largely has been pegged to compensation packages won by the UAW.
    Finally, let's stop pretending that we are giving Detroit a "bailout" or a handout. We are making taxpayer loans to an industry that once was successful enough to pull several generations of people into the American middle class.
    That industry is in trouble today for causes considerably beyond its control: wildly fluctuating fuel prices, the result of a government absent a commercially and environmentally effective energy policy; and a collapsed financial system that has put consumer credit on ice.
    The Obama administration's automotive team needs to concentrate on repairing those things. What isn't needed is federal oversight, or interference, in the design and development of the kind of Detroit cars and trucks that "Americans want to buy."

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    Re: interesting article in the Washington post

    wow nice article
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      Re: interesting article in the Washington post

      its so true.
      I cannot fathom what is going through peoples minds when they are not supportive of the big 3.
      Finally, let's stop pretending that we are giving Detroit a "bailout" or a handout. We are making taxpayer loans to an industry that once was successful enough to pull several generations of people into the American middle class.

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        good read. wut would the United States do with out the Big 3? millions of people would be out of work

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          Re: interesting article in the Washington post

          The big-3 definitely have made mistakes in the past that put them in their current situation. I can't disagree with that. Look at how the companies were run, their product quality in the past, their customer service, etc. They were not very competitive in almost every level.

          To this day they still lobbied against rising fuel efficiency standards. That is not socially responsible or showing foresight. Looking at their cost structure from top to bottom and it's obvious that they are greedy and mostly concerned with profit making, which I have no problem with if they are successful in the industry.

          They claimed to have spent billions in future alternate fuel technology, then where is the end product? Foreign automakers already had hybrids out in the market 10 years ago, even though they didn't sell and were money losers at least they made a political statement. They gave a favorable impression in the eyes of the public. Detroit is doing that now but it may be too late to win public opinion.

          Greedy or not, the union did won many more than generous contacts for their members. Good for them as long as the companies remain profitable. But in the current economic situation, such demands are no longer realistic or sustainable. If they need public money to keep in business, I don't think the money should go to support inflated wages and benefit programs, especially when everyone else is hurting. When detroit was successful, it was good that the wealth were shared with the workers on the floor. But times had changed and they too need to adapt to the new economic reality.

          As for the rest of the article, the writer is dead on. Detroit is getting an unfairly bum rap.

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            Re: interesting article in the Washington post

            As far as the unions go, can you blame them for not taking a pay cut? What would you say if they were trying to cut your pay, benefits, etc etc? You can't even say you'd agree.
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              Re: interesting article in the Washington post

              Originally posted by mrslcom
              They claimed to have spent billions in future alternate fuel technology, then where is the end product? Foreign automakers already had hybrids out in the market 10 years ago, even though they didn't sell and were money losers at least they made a political statement. They gave a favorable impression in the eyes of the public. Detroit is doing that now but it may be too late to win public opinion.


              as for that i know on GM's end theyve been focusing more on electric and fuel cell type technolegys not hybrids since hybrids still rely on gas.

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                Originally posted by ahuhn
                as for that i know on GM's end theyve been focusing more on electric and fuel cell type technolegys not hybrids since hybrids still rely on gas.
                i believe there main work is on the big H (hydrogen) for power

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                  Re: interesting article in the Washington post

                  Originally posted by snowmanG6
                  Originally posted by ahuhn
                  as for that i know on GM's end theyve been focusing more on electric and fuel cell type technolegys not hybrids since hybrids still rely on gas.
                  i believe there main work is on the big H (hydrogen) for power
                  Sure, no one believed that hybrids were to be the driving power of the future. Hybrids were always meant to be a stop-gap powerplant until the next revolutionary replacement technology becomes viable, whatever that will be. Regardless, foreign automakers beat us to the punch in bringing the first hybrid to the market.

                  Although the early hybrids did not benefit anybody (the car companies that made them lost money; the buyers did not save any money overall because they were expensive, and the environment did not benefit because the resouces used to produce a hybrid were higher than a regular car), they did made a political statement and a symbolic first step that gasoline engines needs to be phased out at some time in our future.

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                    Re: interesting article in the Washington post

                    Originally posted by mrslcom
                    Originally posted by snowmanG6
                    Originally posted by ahuhn
                    as for that i know on GM's end theyve been focusing more on electric and fuel cell type technolegys not hybrids since hybrids still rely on gas.
                    i believe there main work is on the big H (hydrogen) for power
                    Sure, no one believed that hybrids were to be the driving power of the future. Hybrids were always meant to be a stop-gap powerplant until the next revolutionary replacement technology becomes viable, whatever that will be. Regardless, foreign automakers beat us to the punch in bringing the first hybrid to the market.

                    Although the early hybrids did not benefit anybody (the car companies that made them lost money; the buyers did not save any money overall because they were expensive, and the environment did not benefit because the resouces used to produce a hybrid were higher than a regular car), they did made a political statement and a symbolic first step that gasoline engines needs to be phased out at some time in our future.
                    that might be so. so what they were the first? Gm now has the more available hybrids than any other company. GM was the first to offer the concept of differentiated cars for the individual, but yet that has been evolved more and more by GM itself an other car companies. Same thing with the hybrids; they weren't the first, but they surely took it and made it something. Toyota has what, one type of hybrid drive? While GM has multiple types of fuel efficient drives.

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                      Originally posted by leong6gtp
                      that might be so. so what they were the first? Gm now has the more available hybrids than any other company. GM was the first to offer the concept of differentiated cars for the individual, but yet that has been evolved more and more by GM itself an other car companies. Same thing with the hybrids; they weren't the first, but they surely took it and made it something. Toyota has what, one type of hybrid drive? While GM has multiple types of fuel efficient drives.
                      True, GM may be a little late into the game but they sure are into it big time. With the new "plug-in", maybe they are even ahead of the game. But my point was, in terms of marketing and public image, they looked way behind in portraying a 'green' movement when the competition already had their hybrids running on the road for 10 years while GM kept building gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs.

                      Part of GM's success is that they offer a product for every individual taste and market. But when that market changes, they weren't keen enough to foresee that change and don't react fast enough to adjust to that change. That's why their market share kept on continuously eroding. So what if someone else was first you asked? When someone chooses to buy an import over a domestic with his/her hard earned money, it's a sign that we somehow failed to satisfy the needs of that particular market, and vice versa. In terms of sales volume, GM is still highly successful and an industry giant. But they need to find a way to turn things around because the competition is relentless and they keep getting better and better.

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                        Originally posted by mrslcom
                        Originally posted by leong6gtp
                        that might be so. so what they were the first? Gm now has the more available hybrids than any other company. GM was the first to offer the concept of differentiated cars for the individual, but yet that has been evolved more and more by GM itself an other car companies. Same thing with the hybrids; they weren't the first, but they surely took it and made it something. Toyota has what, one type of hybrid drive? While GM has multiple types of fuel efficient drives.
                        True, GM may be a little late into the game but they sure are into it big time. With the new "plug-in", maybe they are even ahead of the game. But my point was, in terms of marketing and public image, they looked way behind in portraying a 'green' movement when the competition already had their hybrids running on the road for 10 years while GM kept building gas-guzzling trucks and SUVs.

                        Part of GM's success is that they offer a product for every individual taste and market. But when that market changes, they weren't keen enough to foresee that change and don't react fast enough to adjust to that change. That's why their market share kept on continuously eroding. So what if someone else was first you asked? When someone chooses to buy an import over a domestic with his/her hard earned money, it's a sign that we somehow failed to satisfy the needs of that particular market, and vice versa. In terms of sales volume, GM is still highly successful and an industry giant. But they need to find a way to turn things around because the competition is relentless and they keep getting better and better.

                        thats the sound of the point i was making going over your head.

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